When to Use Tractor Hub？

My son and I changed four 18.4-38s last weekend. Both of us have a bad back so there was no way we could do wheels that size on the floor and get them picked up. We leave the wheels on the tractor and let gravity help us. Two of the tires we took off of duals we did not need anymore so we stuck a dual hub on the end of the axle and bolted the dual to the hub with two bolts so the wheel was vertical when we worked on them.

On the harvest We had a couple of big combine tires changed by an independent guy who changes tires in the field for the tire shops. These tires cost $6000 each. He was not a very big guy but he could handle those huge tires pretty much himself. We had to help him roll the old tire away and the new tire back to the combine but he did the rest. The temperature was an honest 110 degrees in southwest Kansas. We were all heading for the shade while he kept on working in the hot sun. His son came along to help but he didnt do much. I cant use the words the dad used when he told us what he thought about the son being up all night drinking beer and chasing girls. LOL

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Herbie56

Posted 5/29/2014 06:37 (#3891766)
Subject: Clamp on Duals for planting

Coles County, Illinois

I plant with a MFWD 6420 and it has 18.4 X 34 cast iron rears. With it's 3 1/8" axle and shallow key-way finding hubs for axle mount duals is tough. (Think 4010 or 3020 and mill work to reduce the key-way) I've searched the on-line salvage market and could put together this for around $1400 plus estimated shipping of $430.

This morning as I was searching for Auctions I ran across a a re- listing for DMI 16 X 34 Duals with hardware for < $600. The original listing was from 2010 so maybe there's room there. They're also within driving distance with less than $100 fuel.

I'd do 400 acres planting and 400 spraying Pre-Plant/ pre-emerge chems a year with these and take them off. I have no intention of doing any tillage with these. They just be for eliminating the side to side rocking that's getting kinda tough on this old body.

Would I need (could?) to add extensions to get out to 30" spacing or is this just a big mistake.

Red Whiskers

Posted 5/29/2014 07:32 (#3891855 - in reply to #3891766)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

Cleburne TX

Cleburne TX

I've done it in the past, worked fine. Had the spacers on one setup to make 30' Another time only had a couple hundred acres to do and just used the clamp ons. I just set the two rows behind the duels a notch deeper. When the corn came up could see no difference. Jd7730

Posted 5/29/2014 07:46 (#3891881 - in reply to #3891766)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

SE MN

Clamp-on duals should work just fine for you. Yes, you also should be able to get the right ring extensions you need to make then straddle 30" rows. You can call some good ag tire shops about the extension rings…all they are are the rings and longer bolts. Also, the hardware might or might not work on the 6420 like it did on the previous tractor those duals were mounted on, but might not be much of an issue either. $600 sounds like plenty IMO, but with hardware, good tires and close by, that's probably not too bad. Here's a cheaper set to compare.

http://desmoines.craigslist.org/grd/4491648316.html Von WC Ohio

Posted 5/29/2014 08:07 (#3891910 - in reply to #3891766)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

Have ran clamp on duals for years with no issues. I put them on for drilling and take them off for planting. Mine are not quite wide enough to stay off 30" rows and I don't like running a wheel where a row will be.

I agree I don't like the rocking side to side without them either.

2 little tips if you go this route.

If you get the kind that has the T-rail in them that the clamps attach to they are easy to remove.

Drive the inside tractor wheel up on a block that lifts the dual slightly off the ground, remove J bolts and clamps from T-rail, use a hydraulic jack at the bottom of the wheel laying lightly on it's side ( to get oil to the small ram on the handle) position jack against tractor wheel and jack against the T-rail. Dual pops right off. Just be sure you are in a safe position so it does not fall on top of you. I raise jack with one hand and reach up and steady wheel with the other. They can be heavy and awkward to roll around and if they get away from you let them drop. I always handle on the tire side keeping the sharp spacer rim away from me. That way if it falls it's less likely it could do severe damage by the sharp edge falling against you. 

 

Another tip either make or buy a deep dual impact socket for tightening up the J bolts (if you have them vs snap over center type clamps.)

Lots nicer to tighten J -bolts up, they can be knuckle busters using a wrench sometimes.

http://www.shoupparts.com/product/search.aspx?st=dual%20socket

 

If you don't have a socket and need to use a wrench you can help yourself with another tip. The clamps that go on the T rail have a beveled hole where a conical washer sits then the nut. The nut is harder to turn to get on as it is sort of against the T-rail clamp.

You can put the conical washer on, then cut some short pieces of black pipe, then put your nut on. This gets the nut out to where you can get a box end wrench on it more easily and take longer turns as it's not back against the clamp. 

Don't have any pics but can take some if you need them.

Herbie56

Posted 5/29/2014 08:55 (#3891974 - in reply to #3891910)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

Coles County, Illinois

Thanks for the Link JD7730 didn't consider CraigsList. Found a couple a lot closer. One was already sold and another was on a 4020 I ran back in 1974. ( 5 miles away) The 4020 guy doesn't want to sell them off (yet?) but I've sold him stuff years ago and it just takes time for him to make big decisions (sarcasm included here)

Von WC: Good advice. Had DMI's back in Early 70's. mocofarmer7

Posted 5/29/2014 10:41 (#3892088 - in reply to #3891974)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

SWIL

I've got a pair of 18.4 34 clamp ons here in Waterloo il if it's not too far.



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Posted 5/29/2014 10:48 (#3892098 - in reply to #3891766)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

Crawfordsville, Arkansas

I've got a pair of 18.4x34 Firestones on 9 bolt rims if you want to go the hub route. $700 for the pair. I'm not too far away to make the trip in a day. WildBuckwheat

Posted 5/29/2014 10:52 (#3892101 - in reply to #3891766)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

Middlesex County, Ontario

We do it. Almost perfect 30" spacing. The inside wheels are at 64" or 66" and the outside wheels are exactly at 120".

You can see the spacer. It has little ears. I welded 4 ears onto the rim on each wheel yesterday because they fall apart when you take the dual off. Just small beads, easy to take off with a grinder if required.

You will want to check your hub clamps bolts before and several times after putting them on.


We could put the inside at 60" but that would require flipping rims when going back to 90" where it spends most of its life on the sprayer.

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Posted 5/29/2014 10:54 (#3892104 - in reply to #3891766)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

Give Wold Rim & Wheel a call & St. Ansgar, IA 1-800-443-9653

They have a hub that fits your axle size. You just need 7" of axle to be able to mount it to the tractor. I'd stay away from band duals if at all possible. Hub mount is going to be more expensive but well worth it in the long run. Stronger and have better resale value.

mocofarmer7

Posted 5/29/2014 10:58 (#3892108 - in reply to #3891974)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

SWIL

I've got a pair of 18.4 34 clamp ons here in Waterloo il if it's not too far. tommyw-5088

Posted 5/29/2014 12:33 (#3892200 - in reply to #3891910)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

south Texas , York Rife Freemason

Why do the narrow row farmers ,not set up for 90" and straddle 3 rows ?

5088 AND 886 are both on 80" centers . As are a lot of the older tractors ,from the wide row farming days . olwhda

Posted 5/29/2014 12:41 (#3892207 - in reply to #3892104)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

Liberty, MO

Ran hook on duals on 1800, 1650, 2255, Oliver's, and 2-85 White for years, no problems, BUT have axle mount on 2-105 White, 9150, and 9190 Deutz Allis, hook on's are for tractors that aren't heavy., axle mounts will wade more mud too.

Just my thoughts. TJG in MS

Posted 5/29/2014 17:07 (#3892415 - in reply to #3892200)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

Itta Bena Mississippi

If I ever have to go 30", that is exactly what I'll do.
Tom tommyw-5088

Posted 5/29/2014 18:04 (#3892448 - in reply to #3892415)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

south Texas , York Rife Freemason

TJG in MS - 5/29/2014 17:07

If I ever have to go 30", that is exactly what I'll do.
Tom

It seems a simple solution ? 45Deere9670

Posted 5/29/2014 19:48 (#3892552 - in reply to #3892448)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

St. Joseph, Champaign County, IL

3 rows between the wheels? Not going to find any implements set up this way! How would you pull an even rowed planter? There would HAVE to be one more row on one side of the centerline of the tractor than the other side. That is why you never see 90" wheel spacing. There are some that go out to 120". tommyw-5088

Posted 5/29/2014 21:20 (#3892706 - in reply to #3892552)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

south Texas , York Rife Freemason

45Deere9670 - 5/29/2014 19:48

3 rows between the wheels? Not going to find any implements set up this way! How would you pull an even rowed planter? There would HAVE to be one more row on one side of the centerline of the tractor than the other side. That is why you never see 90" wheel spacing. There are some that go out to 120".

With the problems that a majority on here invent -in their minds - that's a small problem to solve .

But whatever . Detroit

Posted 5/29/2014 21:29 (#3892736 - in reply to #3892415)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

Crawfordsville, Arkansas

TJG in MS - 5/29/2014 16:07

If I ever have to go 30", that is exactly what I'll do.
Tom

120" tracks is the way to go for 30" rows. lylefarm

Posted 5/29/2014 21:38 (#3892756 - in reply to #3892552)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

East of Dowagiac Michigan

East of Dowagiac Michigan

The problem with tractor on 90" in 30" corn is your hitch pin kind of shreds a row when you sidedress or do any other post work when crop is taller than your drawbar. 45Deere9670

Posted 5/30/2014 06:28 (#3893105 - in reply to #3892706)
Subject: RE: Clamp on Duals for planting

St. Joseph, Champaign County, IL

How do you solve different number of rows on opposite sides of the centerline? The only way to have the same number of rows, on both sides of the centerline of the tractor, is to have an odd number of rows. If you want to "make" your own odd numbered equipment go right ahead. This would work fine for planting, row crop cultivating, spraying, etc. It would also work fine for harvesting something such as corn, provided you plant and harvest the exact same number of rows, or don't mind at least half of you harvesting passes containing a guess row, or you take one pass full and the next pass you are short one row. For example, you plant 11 rows, harvest with a 6 row head. One pass you take 6 rows, next pass back the other way you only take 5 rows.

There's also the problem with resale value, should you ever decide to trade/ sale one of your odd row pieces.

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